07 Monday Dec 2020
Posted in Guyandotte River, Sand Creek
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Appalachia, Crispin S. Stone, Edward Chapman, genealogy, Guyandotte River, history, Isaac Adkins, James Lawson, James Mullins, Lincoln County, Logan County, Mile Branch, Reece Elkins, Sand Creek, Spencer A. Mullins, Virginia, West Virginia
03 Thursday Dec 2020
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Logan, Whirlwind
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Appalachia, Bill Mullins, Bulwark, genealogy, General Bryant, George Bryant, Harts Creek, history, J.S. Tomblin, James Mullins, Leona Kinser, Logan, Logan Banner, Logan County, Nickitie Tomblin, Oma Bryant, Shegon, Squire Sol Adams, Troy Tomblin, West Virginia, Whirlwind
An unnamed correspondent from Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on April 24, 1925:
James Mullins is about to open the new store at Bulwark.
Squire Sol Adams made a flying trip to Logan this week.
Joe Blair is visiting home folks.
Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Bryant of Shegon were welcome guests of General Bryant.
Mrs. Nicktie Tomblin has been ill for some time.
Miss Oma Bryant was shopping at Whirlwind this week.
J.S. Tomblin was seen around Troy Town today.
Bill Mullins has rented Leona Kinser’s farm for this year.
George Bryant was calling on Miss Floory Sunday.
17 Monday Jul 2017
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Dingess, Whirlwind
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Appalachia, baseball, Bible school, Breeden, Buck Fork, Bulwark, Burlie Riddle, Charles Curry, Charleston, croup, David Tomblin, Dora Workman, Earsel Farley, Ethel Chafin, gambling, genealogy, Harts Creek, history, Jacob Alperin, James Baisden, James Mullins, John M. Adams, Julia Mullins, Logan Banner, Logan County, Mamie Adkins, McCloud School, merchant, Mingo County, Mose Tomblin Jr., Naaman Borders, Roxie Mullins, Thomas Carter, Tom Smith, W.J. Bachtel, Wayne, West Virginia, Whirlwind, Will Farley
An unknown correspondent from Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on November 14, 1914:
Forest fires have done considerable damage in this section recently.
Drs. Carter and Ratcliff were Whirlwind visitors one day the first of the week.
Mrs. James Baisden of Dingess died at her home Thursday, November 12th.
Miss Burlie Riddle was shopping at this place on Tuesday last.
Misses Julia and Roxie Mullins were Whirlwind visitors one day this week.
Miss Mamie Adkins was visiting at Uncle Tom Smith’s Friday.
W.J. Bachtel transacted business in Mingo county the first of the week.
T.J. Carter is on the sick list at this writing.
Mrs. David Tomblin of Buck Fork was here Wednesday.
J.M. Adams transacted business at Whirlwind Friday of last week.
Mose Tomblin, Jr., made a business trip to Bulwark Friday.
Jacob Alperin of Charleston was here on business one day recently.
Rev. N. Barber returned Sunday from a business trip to Mingo county.
Miss Ethel Chaffin of Wayne is visiting Naaman Borders at this place.
Little Earsel, the five-year-old child of Will Farley, took the croup last Saturday and died in a few hours. The bereaved ones have our sympathy.
Miss Dora Workman of this place visited relatives at Breeding last week.
The schools of this place taught by Mr. and Mrs. Borders are progressing nicely.
James Mullins, our prominent merchant, bought a fine span of mules recently.
Revs. Vance, Curry, and Border preached at McCloud school house Sunday.
The folks on Buck Fork have organized a Bible school, which all the folks are invited to take a part. That begins to look like the good people of that place are moving in the right way. If all our neighbors would do the same, our young men would find it even more interesting that the disgraceful card table or Sunday baseball. And I am sure it would do more to elevate our country. People are going to engage in something on Sunday, if it is things that are sinful. So let us interest them in something that is elevating and has a wholesome moral uplift. Where we have a Bible school or Sunday school we have a sort of round table in which all may have a say in the subject. There are a thousand and one things that are intensely interesting in the Good Old Book that many educated people are wholly ignorant of, and I am surprised to see so few school teachers that take such little interest in these things. How long will things be thus?
Now that the election is over and the lucky ones are happy and the unlucky ones have bid their loved ones at home goodbye and are on their way up the hated Salt River we wish the dear fellows all a safe voyage.
‘Lasses makin’ is over and the frost is on the pumpkin and the fodder’s in the shock.
28 Wednesday Jun 2017
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Whirlwind
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Acquilla Mullins, Appalachia, Bob Mullins, Charles Curry, Charles W. Mullins, consumption, Dr. Baisden, genealogy, Georgia Mullins, Harts Creek, history, James Mullins, Julia Mullins, Logan Banner, Logan County, Major Adams, measles, merchant, Moses Workman, Sherman Adams, singing schools, Sol Riddle, Thomas Carter, Vergie Mullins, W.J. Bachtel, Ward Adams, Whirlwind
J.M., a correspondent from Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on June 26, 1914:
Uncle Mose Workman died at his home at this place last week. He was 84 years old.
People here are busy farming.
Candidates are frequent visitors at Whirlwind these days.
The infant child of Major Adams died near here Monday. Measles was probably the cause of its death.
Miss Quillie Mullins is staying with Mrs. S. Riddle of this place.
Sherman Adams is very ill with consumption at this writing.
Dr. Baisden has been visiting patients near here recently.
Rev. Robert Mullins is teaching a successful singing school at McCloud school house.
Mrs. W.J. Bachtel visited Whirlwind friends Saturday.
Rev. Chas. Curry preached a very interesting sermon at the McCloud school house Sunday.
Mrs. Julia and Vergie Mullins were calling on Mrs. Georgia Mullins Tuesday.
Prof. James Mullins is manager of the Whirlwind store now.
C.W. Mullins was at Whirlwind Tuesday.
Thos. J. Carter and son Wash were visiting at Whirlwind Saturday.
21 Wednesday Jun 2017
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Coal, Man, Whirlwind
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Appalachia, Barney Carter, Belvia Mullins, Burlie Riddle, Canterbury, Charles Curry, Charley Mullins, coal, genealogy, Harts Creek, history, Hoover Fork, J.H. Workman, James Mullins, John McCloud, Julia Mullins, Lawrence Mullins, Logan Banner, Logan County, McCloud Cemetery, Mosco Mullins, New York City, Oilville, Peter Mullins, Pink Mullins, Pond Creek, Sam Mullins, singing schools, Sol Riddell, teacher, Twelve Pole Creek, West Virginia, Whirlwind
J.M., a correspondent from Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on February 20, 1914:
Business is dull in this section.
S. Riddell left Thursday for New York City.
Miss Belvia Mullins is visiting friends at Canterbury this week.
Peter Mullins left Tuesday for Oilville where he will engage in the carpenter’s trade.
Singing school is progressing nicely under the skillful management of Rev. Chas. Curry.
A large crowd attended church at Hoover Sunday.
J.H. Workman has accepted a position as clerk in S. Riddell’s store at this place.
Sam Mullins returned to his work on Pond Creek Monday.
Miss Julia Mullins was shopping at Pink Mullins’ Saturday.
Charley Mullins is on the sick list this week.
Mrs. Jno. McCloud died at her home on Twelve Pole Friday and was buried in the McCloud cemetery.
Lawrence Mullins and Barney Carter are getting out a fine lot of telegraph poles at this place.
Mosco Mullins died here last Wednesday. Fits was the cause of death.
Burglars made a raid on James Mullins’ store a few nights ago; names of visitors not learned yet.
John Carter is furnishing the town with coal this winter.
Miss Burlie Riddle is teaching school on Hoover.
08 Thursday Oct 2015
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Chapmanville, Civil War, Crawley Creek, Green Shoal, Harts, Little Harts Creek
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129th Regiment Virginia Militia, 34th Battalion Virginia Cavalry, Aaron Adkins, Abbotts Branch, Abijah Workman, Abner Vance, Addison Vance, Admiral S. Fry, Albert Abbott, Alexander Bryant, Alford Tomblin, Allen B. Brumfield, Anderson Barker, Andrew D. Robinson, Andrew Jackson Browning, Andrew Jackson Vance, Arnold Perry, Barnett Carter, Battle of Boone Court House, Battle of Kanawha Gap, Benjamin Adams, Benjamin Barker, Big Branch, Burbus C. Toney, Calahill McCloud, Canaan Adkins, Carter's Company, Charles McCloud, Christian T. Fry, civil war, Crawley Creek, Daniel Bill Nester, David Workman, Douglas Branch, Edward Garrett, Enos "Jake" Adkins, Evermont Ward Brumfield, Fleming Fry, Fulton D. Ferrell, Garland Conley, genealogy, George Bryant, George Godby, Griffin Stollings, Guy Conley, Harts, Harts Creek, Harvey S. Dingess, Henderson Dingess, Henderson Lambert, Henry Conley, history, Hoover Fork, Ira Lucas, Isaac Adkins, Isaac G. Griffith, Jackson McCloud, James Bryant, James Dalton, James Dingess, James Mullins, James P. Ferrell, James Tomblin, Jefferson Thompson, Jeremiah Perry, Jesse W. Carter, John C. Chapman, John DeJarnett, John Dingess, John H. Adkins, John McCloud, John Quincy Adams, John R. Robinson, John W. Workman, Josiah Browning, Lewis Baisden, Lewis Jupiter Fry, Lewis Vance, Logan County, Martin Dalton, Martin Van Buren Mullins, Mastin Conley, Mathias Elkins, Moses Tomblin, Moses Workman, Obediah Workman, Oliver Conley, Peter C. Dingess, Peter Fry, Reuben Conley, Riland Baisden, Robert Bob Mullins, Robert Fry, Rufus Bryant, Russell Fry, Shade Estep, Smokehouse Fork, Spencer A. Mullins, Squire Toney, Thomas Conley, Thompson Perry, Tolbert S. Godby, Weddington Mullins, West Virginia, William A. Dingess, William C. Lambert, William D. Elkins, William S. Dingess, William T. Fowler, William Workman
The 129th Regiment Virginia Militia, commanded by Colonel John DeJarnett, consisted of men primarily from Logan County, (West) Virginia. The 129th existed to protect Logan County. Carter’s Company, captained by Barnett “Barney” Carter, consisted of many Harts Creek men, all of whom enlisted on 27 August 1861 at Logan Court House, Logan County, (West) Virginia. The 129th, including Carter’s Company, participated in the Battle of Boone Court House on 1 September 1861 and the Battle of Kanawha Gap on 25 September 1861. In 1862, Carter’s Company essentially became Company D, 34th Battalion Virginia Cavalry. (This list will be updated periodically.)
Albert Abbott*, Abbotts Branch
Benjamin Adams, Crawley Creek
John Quincy Adams, Harts Creek
Aaron Adkins
Canaan Adkins, West Fork of Harts Creek [Lincoln County Feud]
Enos “Jake” Adkins, 1st Lieutenant, Douglas Branch (Ferrellsburg)
Isaac Adkins, Jr., Harts Creek (Big Branch area)
Isaac Adkins, 2nd Sergeant, Harts Creek (Big Branch area)
John H. Adkins
Lewis Baisden
Riland Baisden
Anderson Barker
Benjamin Barker
James M. Berry
Jacob Browning
Josiah Browning, 4th Sergeant
Andrew Jackson Browning, Harts Creek
Allen B. Brumfield, Big Ugly Creek
Evermont Ward Brumfield, Big Ugly Creek
Alexander Bryant, Harts Creek
George Bryant, Harts Creek
James Bryant, Harts Creek
Rufus Bryant, Harts Creek
Ed Burchett
William F. B_____
Jesse W. Carter
Barnett Carter, Captain, Hoover Fork of Harts Creek
John C. Chapman, 1st Corporal
Garland Conley, Smokehouse Fork of Harts Creek
Guy Conley, Conley Branch (Chapmanville)
Henry Conley, Conley Branch (Chapmanville)
Maston Conley, Chapmanville
Oliver Conley, Crawley Creek
Reuben Conley
Thomas Conley, Conley Branch (Chapmanville)
James Dalton, Harts Creek
Martin Dalton, Harts Creek
Harvey S. Dingess*, Crawley Creek
Henderson Dingess, Smokehouse Fork of Harts Creek [Lincoln County Feud]
James Dingess, 3rd Corporal
John Dingess
Peter C. Dingess, Crawley Creek
William A. Dingess
William S. Dingess
Mathias Elkins
William D. Elkins*, 2nd Corporal
D.J. Estep
Shade Estep, 4th Corporal
Fulton D. Ferrell, 3rd Sergeant
James P. Ferrell, Big Ugly Creek
Samuel Ferrell
Isaac Fleming
William T. Fowler, West Fork/Marsh Fork of Harts Creek
Admiral S. Fry, Green Shoal
Christian T. “Jack” Fry*, Abbotts Branch
Fleming Fry
Lewis “Jupiter” Fry, Big Ugly Creek (Gill)
Peter Fry
Robert Fry
Russell Fry
Edward Garrett, 2nd Lieutenant
Isaac G. Gartin, 2nd Lieutenant, Little Harts Creek
George Godby
Tolbert S. Godby, 1st Sergeant
Isaac O. Jeffrey
Henderson Lambert, Bend of the River
William C. Lambert, Bend of the River area
Ira Lucas
Calahill McCloud, Harts Creek or Twelve Pole Creek
Charles McCloud
Jackson McCloud
John McCloud
B. McNeely
James Mullins
Martin Van Buren Mullins, Harts Creek
Robert “Bob” Mullins, Harts Creek
Spencer A. Mullins, Bridge Branch area (Atenville)
Weddington Mullins, Harts Creek
Daniel “Bill” Nester, Browns Branch
William Owens
Arnold Perry
D.H. Perry
Jeremiah Perry
Thompson Perry
Andrew Robinson, Harts Creek
John R. Robinson
Griffin Stollings
Jefferson Thompson, Thompson Branch of Harts Creek
Alford Tomblin, Sr., Harts Creek
Alford Tomblin, Jr., Harts Creek
James Tomblin
Moses Tomblin
Burbus C. Toney, Green Shoal area (Toney)
Squire Toney, Big Ugly Creek
Andrew Jackson Vance
Abner Vance, West Fork of Harts Creek
Addison Vance
Lewis Vance
James Wills
Abijah “Bige” Workman
David Workman
John W. Workman
Moses Workman
Obediah Workman
William Workman
(*) denotes my direct ancestors
07 Thursday May 2015
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Whirlwind
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Bill Mullins, Bulwark, Flora Tomblin, genealogy, General Bryant, George Bryant, Harts Creek, history, James Mullins, Joe Blair, Josiah Tomblin, Leona Kinser, Logan Banner, Logan County, Nickitie Tomblin, Oma Bryant, Shegon, Squire Sol Adams, Troy Town, West Virginia, Whirlwind
An unnamed local correspondent at Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on 24 April 1925:
James Mullins is about to open the new store at Bulwark.
Squire Sol Adams made a flying trip to Logan this week.
Joe Blair is visiting home folks.
Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Bryant of Shegon were welcome guests of General Bryant.
Mrs. Nickitie Tomblin has been ill for some time.
Miss Oma Bryant was shopping at Whirlwind this week.
J.S. Tomblin was seen around Troy Town today.
Bill Mullins has rented Leona Kinser’s farm for this year.
George Bryant was calling on Miss Floory, Sunday.
06 Wednesday May 2015
Posted in Whirlwind
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Almeda Baisden, Appalachia, Bird Bryant, Buck Fork, Bulwark, Charley Curry, Charley Tomblin, coal, Crawley Creek, genealogy, George W. Hensley, Harts Creek, Harvey Smith, history, James Mullins, Logan, Logan Banner, Logan County, Moses Tomblin, Peter Carter, Preston Collins, Rufus Tomblin, Squire Sol Adams, timbering, Troy Vance, West Virginia, Whirlwind, Willie Tomblin, Win Bryant
An unnamed local correspondent at Whirlwind in Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on 17 April 1925:
Moses and Willie Tomblin are operating a saw mill.
James Mullins is doing some building now.
Harve Smith and his little son had a great fox chase.
Wonder if Charley Tomblin is hunting any now.
Rufus Tomblin is busy farming this week.
Preston Collins is loading coal for Clyde.
Peter Carter was seen hauling meat for James Mullins.
Everet and General were business guests at Sol Adams Tuesday.
Wonder why Grover likes eggs so well?
Doke Tomblin is putting up a large string of paling.
Geo. W. Hensley and Charley Curry were on Crawley’s Creek Sunday. Wonder who they were looking for?
Troy Vance and Miss Almeda Baisden were married Monday.
Wonder why Asburn don’t come to Buck Fork now?
Win Bryant is suffering a broken shoulder by falling from a mule, Friday.
James Mullins has about completed arrangements to occupy his new store.
Bird Bryant made a trip to Whirlwind Sunday.
We had a fine singing school at Bulwark Sunday.
Charles Curry was a visitor to the singing school Sunday.
George Hensley made a business trip to Logan last week.
20 Friday Feb 2015
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Halcyon, Harts, Shively, Spottswood, Warren, Whirlwind
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Al Brumfield, Albert Dingess, Alice Adams, Alice Dingess, Andrew D. Robinson, Appalachia, Bill Fowler, Chapmanville District, Enzelo Post Office, Everett Dingess, Ferrellsburg, genealogy, George W. Adkins, Glen R. Dial, Halcyon Post Office, Harts, Harts Creek, Harts Creek District, Harts Post Office, Henry S. Godby, Herbert Adkins, history, Hollena Brumfield, Hollena Ferguson, Ina Adams, Isham Roberts, James Mullins, John S. Butcher, Lawrence Riddle, Lewis Dempsey, Lincoln County, Logan County, Nora St. Clair, Queens Ridge Post Office, Ross Fowler, Sallie Adkins, Sallie Farley, Shively Post Office, Sol Riddell, Spottswood Post Office, Thomas H. Buckley, Ulysses S. Richards, Warren Post Office, West Virginia, Whirlwind Post Office
Big Harts Creek, located in Harts Creek District of Lincoln County, West Virginia, and Chapmanville District of Logan County, West Virginia, has hosted seven post offices: Hearts Creek/Hart’s Creek/Hart/Harts (1870-present), Warren (1884-1894), Spottswood (1901-1908), Halcyon (1906-1923), Whirlwind (1910-1950s), Enzelo (1916-1922), and Shively (1926-?). Today, one post office exists at the mouth of Harts Creek in the town of Harts.
Enzelo Post Office (1916-1922) — located in the Logan County section of Harts Creek
Ulysses S. Richards: 22 March 1916 – 15 December 1922
Post office discontinued: 15 December 1922
Halcyon Post Office (1906-1923) — located near the mouth of Marsh Fork of West Fork of Harts Creek in Logan County
Albert Dingess: 3 May 1906 – 20 April 1921
Everet Dingess: 20 April 1921 (took possession), 11 May 1921 (acting postmaster), 21 September 1921 – 14 July 1923
Post office discontinued: 14 July 1923, mail to Ferrellsburg
Hearts Creek Post Office (1870-1872) — located at the mouth of Big Harts Creek in Lincoln County
Henry S. Godby: 3 November 1870 – 20 November 1872
Post office discontinued: 20 November 1872
Hart’s Creek Post Office (1877-1880) — located at the mouth of Big Harts Creek in Lincoln County
William T. Fowler: 2 March 1877 – 9 September 1879
Andrew D. Robinson: 9 September 1879 – 2 December 1880
Post office discontinued: 2 December 1880
Hart Post Office (1881-1910) — located at the mouth of Big Harts Creek in Lincoln County
Andrew D. Robinson: 6 July 1881 – 12 November 1883
Isham Roberts: 12 November 1883 – 3 June 1884
Thomas H. Buckley: 3 June 1884 – 1 July 1884
George W. Adkins: 1 July 1884 – 25 May 1885
William E. “Ross” Fowler: 25 May 1885 – 30 October 1891
Post office discontinued: 30 October 1891, mail to Fourteen
Allen Brumfield: 19 January 1900 – 6 September 1905
Hollena Brumfield: 6 September 1905 – 25 July 1907
Hollena Ferguson: 25 July 1907 – 30 July 1910
Post office discontinued: 30 July 1910, mail to Queens Ridge
Harts Post Office (1916-present) — located at the mouth of Big Harts Creek in Lincoln County
Lewis Dempsey: 5 April 1916 – 12 April 1921
Herbert Adkins: 12 April 1921, 30 April 1921 (assumed charge) – 31 December 1953 (retired)
Glen R. Dial: 31 December 1953 (assumed charge), 22 January 1954 (acting postmaster), 8 March 1955 (confirmed) – 29 July 1966 (removed)
Shively Post Office (1923-?) — located on Smokehouse Fork of Big Harts Creek in Logan County
A. Butcher: 1923-1924
Ina E. Adams: 4 December 1925 (acting postmaster), 18 January 1926 – 2 August 1935
John S. Butcher: 2 August 1935 (assumed charge), 18 September 1935 (acting postmaster), 25 October 1935 – 1 January 1949
Mrs. Sallie Farley Adkins: 1 January 1949 (assumed charge), 10 June 1949, 1 October 1949 (assumed charge) – 22 July 1958 (resigned)
Nora St. Clair: 22 July 1958 (assumed charge) –
Spottswood Post Office (1901-1908) — located near the mouth of Trace Fork in Logan County
Alice Adams: 9 October 1901 – 4 August 1905
Alice Adams Dingess: 4 August 1905 – 31 December 1908
Post office discontinued: 31 December 1908
Warren Post Office (1884-1894) — located near the mouth of Smokehouse Fork in Lincoln County (today Logan County)
Andrew D. Robinson: 17 June 1884 – 17 January 1894
Post office discontinued: 17 January 1894
Whirlwind Post Office (1910-1950s)
L.W. Riddle: 31 March 1910 – 25 May 1911
Sol Riddell: 25 May 1911 – 30 April 1914
James Mullins: 30 April 1914 –
NOTE: For more information regarding the Whirlwind PO, see other posts at this blog.
Source: U.S. Appointments of Postmasters, 1832-1971, maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration; Polk’s West Virginia State Gazetteer & Business Directory, 1923-1924 (Detroit, MI: R.L. Polk & Company, 1923).
24 Wednesday Dec 2014
Posted in Big Harts Creek, Coal, Dingess, Harts, Whirlwind
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Amanda Riddell, Bulwark, coal, Crockett Farley, Dingess, Elizabeth Bryant, genealogy, Harts, Harts Creek, history, James Mullins, John Collins, John Mullins, Lee Ward, Logan Banner, Logan County, Maggie Preece, mail carrier, Martha Jane Kinser, Moses Tomblin, Nelsonville, North Carolina, Ohio, photographer, Richard Collins, Sol Riddell, Tema Adams, Thomas Carter, Trace Fork, Vinson Collins, West Virginia, Whirlwind
“J.M.,” a local correspondent at Whirlwind in Upper Hart, Logan County, West Virginia, offered the following items, which the Logan Banner printed on Friday, December 29, 1911:
Coal digging is all the go at Whirlwind.
John Mullins, of Trace was in town Friday.
Mrs. Geo. Bryant was calling at Whirlwind, Friday.
Richard Collins passed through the city one day since.
Quite a crowd attended church, near Dingess, last Sunday.
James Mullins is the champion photographer at Whirlwind.
S. Riddell made a business trip down to Hart, Saturday.
James Mullins was transacting business on 12 Pole, Sunday.
Mrs. Mike Kinser was among the Whirlwind visitors Friday.
Miss Tenia Adams called on Mrs. S. Riddle, Thursday.
Born to Mr. and Mrs. Lowe, Saturday night, a girl baby.
Mr. Lee Ward, of Nelsonville, O., is visiting his brother here.
Crockett Farley is the mail carrier from Whirlwind to Dingess.
Mr. Fall has returned from North Carolina after a month’s trip.
M. Tomblin is furnishing the Whirlwind people with coal this winter.
Thomas Carter paid Miss Maggie Preece a visit one day last week.
John Collins made a business trip to Whirlwind, Friday. James Mullins was also here the same day.
Vinson Collins and Moses Tomblin are opening a new coal mine on Bulwark Creek, at this time, Nov. 30.
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